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All of you might know me as Travii or The Platypus, and I am here today to tell you about miscats in the Fractal Art Gallery and what you can do to prevent your work from being considered a miscat! Hopefully I can help clear up any confusion that may exist!

Ok, well, first of all, what is a fractal? Can this be explained with out long winded math explanations and with ideas and words that we can all understand? Well, yeah! Of course it can! After all, I understand it:lmao:

See, a fractal is a complex image created using various formulae and algorithms which are computer generated through fractal generating programs. Pretty simple, eh? A fractal is made in a fractal generating  program.

Ok, so, what does this mean? Well, it means that images created in Photoshop, Ms Paint, Paint Shop, and Bryce (to name a few) are NOT fractals. I understand they're all very pretty and come close to looking like a fractal, but it just simply isn't a fractal by definition. These kind of images will be placed into the Paintings& Airbrushing>Abstract>Digital category. However, if you use Photoshop and Paintshop in order to manipulate an image and pass a "fractal" filter over it, it's still NOT a fractal. Instead, I suggest putting this into Photomanipulation and then pick the appropriate sub gallery from there :D

Layering fractals on top of other fractals in an image editing software is ok! They are still fractals, even if they are on top of other fractals. Now, sometimes, you might be tempted to place a few fractals on top of each other to build some scenery for the very spritely Pixie you found in the stock images. This is starting to head towards Mixed Media, and would most likely be moved from the Fractal Art gallery, unless the main focus of the piece are the fractals.
Inauguration by LMarkoya This is ok for the fractal art gallery as Mr. President isn't really the main focus of the piece as much as the fractal surrounding him is.

Post editing and processing in say Photoshop is still ok,like, borders, adding text, and slight color changes. However, of course, if you process the fractal to the point where it no longer looks like the original fractal, I would place this in Mixed Media as well.

Some fractal programs, mainly Ultra Fractal have the abillity to import images. Now, this is nifty and dandy and all, however, if you just import an image and place some of UF's mappings on it that aren't fractally driven, your piece is now a photomanipulation. In order for it to stay in fractal art, you will have to apply some more fractal elements. Otherwise, you can do the same thing in Photoshop or Paintshop with their filters.( Point here, using UF for a photomaniper will get your piece into photomanipulation, not fractal art.)

If you wish to really make fractals, there's plenty of programs out there. Some are free ware and some you have to purchase. Believe me, each program is very different! Each one has it's own little niche of users and all of these programs are capable of creating some seriously interesting pieces through the hard work of the artist.
These programs include (but are probably not limited to :lmao:) Apophysis, Ultra Fractal, Incendia, Xenodream, Sterlingware, Oxodizer, Fractal Explorer, Quadrium, and alot more I can't quite place right now.

Now, if you wanna make things simpler for both of us, I'll explain this pretty quickly for you. Yes, there are times when I'm browsing through the gallery that I really can't tell if what you've got there is a fractal! Most times I can, but there have been times when I question the artist. Here's how you can make both of our lives easier!
Place what program(s) you used in the artist's description! Simple as that. This helps alot,trust me! If I've never heard of that program, I can always look it up! And if I just see "created entirely in Photoshop!" Well, you know what I'll be doing to it :lmao:

Also, if you know your piece is not a fractal, and you place "not a fractal" in the description, but you place it into the Fractal Art gallery, it WILL be moved to a more appropriate gallery. I understand that there aren't some galleries for other math based mediums, however, if it isn't a fractal and you know it isn't a fractal, please don't post it in the fractal art gallery. There are more appropriate galleries to post it in! It would be like posting an animated GIF of a Sonic the hedgehog recolor in the fractal art gallery because it allows animated GIFs because some people like to animate their fractals. ( By the way, said Sonic GIF will be placed into Misc Digital>Animation :D)

Alrighty, now, for those of you who absolutely ABHOR the miscats in the FA gallery, please report them using the proper tools. What you do is press the "report deviation" button and select "Misplaced Deviation" and then select the category you think it should be in. If you need help, feel free to ask me any questions. If the miscat is incredibly offensive and is a policy violation, report, and come to me so that I may scrap it. The important thing here is that YOU REPORT THE IMAGE FIRST then come to me. This way we can take the proper steps to make this system work more effectively.

I really hope this clears up any confusion there may have been about what belongs in the Fractal Art gallery and what doesn't!
If there are any questions or concerns, feel free to come to me with them. :D
I promise I won't bite :lmao:

Platinus
Fractal Art Gallery Moderator
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SoapSeller357 Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2011
Platinus

I would have you read the description of the Raw Fractals category.
"Gallery Info: Raw Fractals
Fractal artwork that is created in fractal software generating programs or other digital means that contains minimal post-work or non-fractal elements other than title, watermark and frame."

There are some actions and plug-ins for photoshop that make the program quite capable of producing mathematically accurate fractals.

Based on this evidence and the above quote, I conclude that just because an image was created in photoshop, does not mean that it isn't a fractal.

I was directed to this page today by FractaliaNo1, who told me that my artwork was a "non fractal" and that i should change the category.

Sincerely,
        A Pissed Off DA Member
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Platinus Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Dear SoapSeller357,

I would have you read the details of this news article:

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Submitted:February 2, 2009

And I would also have you read my current symbol

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This article, while still a lovely guideline for submissions to the fractal art gallery, is not the ONLY piece on submissions to the fractal art gallery. Also, as I haven't been the fractal art GM for a year now, my little article here doesn't hold all that much weight any more.

Furthermore, that you were sent here by another deviant mean nothing to me aside from thinking that your ire is misplaced.

Please have a lovely day.
Sincerely,
When are people going to realize I haven;t been a volunteer for a while and things have changed? :lmao:
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SoapSeller357 Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2011
Well I would say that my ire was directed toward FractaliaNo1, not you.
Because I was directed here, (and after I read this article) I assumed you were still the fractal art GM. I thought you were the one to talk about this situation.

is there no way to update this article, so that confusions like this are avoided in the future?

no offence was meant to you, (although i am still quite angry about this)

It seams that FractaliaNo1's entire profile is dedicated to telling DA users that their fractal artwork is miscategorized

aside from all of this, im glad that we can keep this little conversation professional.
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Platinus Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There isn't anyway for me to edit it.
I would have to contact someone on the staff or volunteer rolls to add to it or delete it completely.
I'm rather too lazy to do that, to be honest :rofl:
And they are generally busier with other things.

It is however a two year old article. By now, it's so lost in the annals of deviant art's news archive that it really astounds me that people keep finding it. But I suppose I have FractaliaNo1 to thank for that XD
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SoapSeller357 Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2011
It is a shame that FractaliaNo1 is causing so much grief by spreading around an outdated article. She definitely made me quite angry. Ive noticed that a lot of other upset Deviants were also sent here by FractaliaNo1.

I guess the lesson I learned is to only follow (or complain about) rules that are made by moderators, and not zealous enforcers like FractaliaNo1, who don't have an official affiliation with DA.

I will continue to make fractal artwork, and continue to post them in the fractal category, no matter how my images are created. I guess i will just have to do my best to ignore people like that and not let them get to me.
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xhbimadhatter13 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2011
A FRACTAL DOES NOT HAVE TO BE MADE IN A FRACTAL GENERATING PROGRAM. THATS WROOOOOONG. A FRACTAL IS NOT ALWAYS WHAT ITS SUPPOSED TO BE THATS PART OF THE WONDER OF FRACTAL IMAGES IS THAT THEY CAN BE ANYTHING.
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Xyrus-02 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Ouch dude. Find your caps lock key so you can turn it off first. Then we can talk...
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xhbimadhatter13 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2011
ya im sorry i was in a rather pissy mood having too much fun messing with FractaliaNo1. she angered me. then i ranted on all other fractal radicalists. sorry. im not usually like this.. :(
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Platinus Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
HEY GUESS WHAT, I CAN TALK IN CAPSLOCK TOO.

And actually, this is an OUTDATED news article.
Back when I was the fractal art Gallery Moderator, fractal art was indeed defined as a piece created in a fractal generating program.

Also, no, they can't be anything. Fractal art is created with MATH, which means that there has to be some sort of MATH involved in order for it to be a fractal. Saying that they were created in a fractal art program insured that the math was there.

I was the fractal art Gallery Moderator, I know a lot about fractals.

Also, I see that you've been on for a total of two weeks. I have been on DA for almost 6 years now and doing fractal art for just as long.

Sooo, why don't you take your caplock and head on over to someplace that appreciates it.
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xhbimadhatter13 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2011
ya i noticed that AFTER i posted my comments.sorreh boutr that. mrs. fractaliano1 kinda pissed me off so i went ranting throughout the fractal DA world.
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Platinus Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Aah, I see.
Well, you have fun with that.
Also, please have it else where :bucktooth:
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BlackWolf122 Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks for this! I made a stupid animation test on MS Paint, and I didn't know where to put it because I had never made on before, and someone told me that I was going to get in trouble. :D

Now I understand where to put my animations at.
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lieshoitje Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2011
Okay, now I know how to DA. :D
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TheChaosEngine Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2011   Digital Artist
Hi Platinus, I am interested what my images should be categorized as, they are generated thru the interaction of magnets on a free moving pendulum. the track they make are a direct analogue of the work Henri Poincare did on the 3 body problem that began Chaos mathematics and they are the real world versions of the Mandlebrot set. any advice for where my chaotic prints should go? thanks.
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Platinus Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Traditional media fractals ;)
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TheChaosEngine Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2011   Digital Artist
thanks, new ones will go up in that category later, do i need to move my old ones?
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Platinus Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
you don't have to if they were in a older category that was also appropriate
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naan21 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010
Hmm...okay I get the mixed media thing. But one question about the program. What if its a custom made program? Because in high school we made a Lindenmayer System iterator(if thats the right word).
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Platinus Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, since I'm no longer the Fractal Art Gallery Moderator and the definition of the gallery has changed, it's totally permissible now. ;)
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naan21 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010
oh I meant like how would I credit such a thing ^^;;

Wait you mean when you were moderator it wasn't permissible? o.O
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Platinus Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Generally no. If you could prove that it was a homemade fractal program, it was allowed, otherwise it was heresy :cough: I mean digital paintings>abstract :giggle:
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naan21 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010
no not DIGITAL PAINTINGS. It is written in Java :3

It takes an Axiom F and applies a transformation on it. Its not colorful and pretty like the Ultra Fractal(or related) programs. but it renders a fractal nonetheless.

I could send you a copy, though its really simple ^^;
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Platinus Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's quite alright ;)
Like I said, it's all good now, the new definition for the gallery leaves it open for things like that.
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Thunder-Wave Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Now that fractal categories are being changed can this topic be removed or updated?
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Platinus Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Since I'm no longer the fractal art GM, it can just be ignored :aww:
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Thunder-Wave Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Understood, unfortunately I am getting people telling me, again, my fractals aren't fractals and referring me to this article.
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Platinus Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
tell them what I just said.
Or refer them to ^DragonWinter, the new GM.
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Thunder-Wave Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Got it.
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NoelMel Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2010
What? So what are you saying? :confused:
I can't post things from photoshop/MS Paint?!
WHAT!
Should I leave dA? .. :( :iconsadplz: I'm confused..
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Platinus Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No to all of that.

You SHOULDN'T leave Deviant Art, because we love you.
However, MS Paint and Photoshop do not have the proper algortithms and formulas nor drawing or coloring methods to produce fractals. You can post them all that you want. Just not to the fractal art gallery.
Things created in MS Paint or Photoshop belong in a Digital Art>Painting/aibrush gallery.

:hug:I hope that cleared up any confusion.
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xhbimadhatter13 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2011
YOU CAN IF THEY ARE STILL FRACTALS.
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NoelMel Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2010
Ok!
Good..
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klixon Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2010   Digital Artist
Oh really?
Well... I'm out of here then.

Pretentious people make me sad

If you can not see the beauty of a hand drawn fractal (the process is exactly the same, only the number of iterations differ) and even dare to ridicule the effort, i don't want anything to do with this any more.
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xhbimadhatter13 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2011
EXACTLY!!! YAY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS!!
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Celina8 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2010  Student Filmographer
:) okay:)
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Thunder-Wave Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Jackson Pollock's Abstract Paintings are indeed fractals made by his own hands and paint not a fractal generated software program. Much research has proven them to be fractals. The stronger the dimension gets closer to 2 from 1, the deeper you can look to find smaller similar segments, as a fractal would. The larger whole is mostly similar to the smaller portions (the eye wouldn't see much difference). This proves that any methodical process that brings this depth of similarity out is a fractal.

Just bringing fractal awareness out there. :)
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xhbimadhatter13 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2011
HA ALL YA'LL PEOPLE WIN OVER FRACTAL GENERATING PROGRAMS!!! CUZ WE MADE THEM!
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Thunder-Wave Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Uhmm, A fractal is not just generated by a fractal program! Nature generates fractals without them so why can't we? Please read more books on fractals and how to make them! This is disruptive to the community and should be ignored. PERIOD!!!!!
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xhbimadhatter13 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2011
THANK YOU.
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Platinus Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Considering I am the fractal art gallery moderator and I represent what the majority of the fcommunity wants, this is what the community has discussed time and time again and this is what the consensus has come to.

I thank you for your input, but for the current gallery definition of Fractal Art, it is a digital math based medium created using a fractal generating software.
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xhbimadhatter13 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2011
(listen to your sig.)
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Thunder-Wave Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
BTW, the fractal was made by Apophysis!
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Thunder-Wave Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There is more to it then that by so many definitions and I am sure you know this.
But I assure you I will continue to call my fractals fractals, and I will make many discussions about this in the future. I will bring all mathematicians I know as well as artists and reputable people to prove my point. In time, things will change.

Thank you and enjoy the ride.
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Platinus Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
your deviation was moved because not only was it a fractal, but because it was photomanipulated onto something else.
The reason I gave you in the note was very clear about that.
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xhbimadhatter13 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2011
why does putting a frickin background onto something make it worthless hmmmmmmm? and yes that was a fractal.
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Thunder-Wave Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Not good enough. It was a fractal and should be accepted as that. I stand by my remarks as an artist and a human being.
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Platinus Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
But it wasn't just a fractal or even a majority a fractal.
I apologize if there was any offense given, however your images simply did not fit the definition given for the gallery.
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Thunder-Wave Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It is if you download and magnify my eyes! It was made by Apophysis! The image of my eyes accented it! You need to redefine the gallery or add more sub-galleries. I am not giving in. Thank you for caring. We can keep this up as long as it takes.
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Platinus Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yes, the fractal was made in apophysis, however your eyes were not.
you manipulated the fractal into your eyes and by definition, that's photomanipulation.
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Anteux Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2010  Student Interface Designer
Wow!.. Excelente información.. gracias!
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