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Hello there! :wave:
All of you might know me as Travii or The Platypus, and I am here today to tell you about miscats in the Fractal Art Gallery and what you can do to prevent your work from being considered a miscat! Hopefully I can help clear up any confusion that may exist!

Ok, well, first of all, what is a fractal? Can this be explained with out long winded math explanations and with ideas and words that we can all understand? Well, yeah! Of course it can! After all, I understand it:lmao:

See, a fractal is a complex image created using various formulae and algorithms which are computer generated through fractal generating programs. Pretty simple, eh? A fractal is made in a fractal generating  program.

Ok, so, what does this mean? Well, it means that images created in Photoshop, Ms Paint, Paint Shop, and Bryce (to name a few) are NOT fractals. I understand they're all very pretty and come close to looking like a fractal, but it just simply isn't a fractal by definition. These kind of images will be placed into the Paintings& Airbrushing>Abstract>Digital category. However, if you use Photoshop and Paintshop in order to manipulate an image and pass a "fractal" filter over it, it's still NOT a fractal. Instead, I suggest putting this into Photomanipulation and then pick the appropriate sub gallery from there :D

Layering fractals on top of other fractals in an image editing software is ok! They are still fractals, even if they are on top of other fractals. Now, sometimes, you might be tempted to place a few fractals on top of each other to build some scenery for the very spritely Pixie you found in the stock images. This is starting to head towards Mixed Media, and would most likely be moved from the Fractal Art gallery, unless the main focus of the piece are the fractals.
Inauguration by LMarkoya This is ok for the fractal art gallery as Mr. President isn't really the main focus of the piece as much as the fractal surrounding him is.

Post editing and processing in say Photoshop is still ok,like, borders, adding text, and slight color changes. However, of course, if you process the fractal to the point where it no longer looks like the original fractal, I would place this in Mixed Media as well.

Some fractal programs, mainly Ultra Fractal have the abillity to import images. Now, this is nifty and dandy and all, however, if you just import an image and place some of UF's mappings on it that aren't fractally driven, your piece is now a photomanipulation. In order for it to stay in fractal art, you will have to apply some more fractal elements. Otherwise, you can do the same thing in Photoshop or Paintshop with their filters.( Point here, using UF for a photomaniper will get your piece into photomanipulation, not fractal art.)

If you wish to really make fractals, there's plenty of programs out there. Some are free ware and some you have to purchase. Believe me, each program is very different! Each one has it's own little niche of users and all of these programs are capable of creating some seriously interesting pieces through the hard work of the artist.
These programs include (but are probably not limited to :lmao:) Apophysis, Ultra Fractal, Incendia, Xenodream, Sterlingware, Oxodizer, Fractal Explorer, Quadrium, and alot more I can't quite place right now.

Now, if you wanna make things simpler for both of us, I'll explain this pretty quickly for you. Yes, there are times when I'm browsing through the gallery that I really can't tell if what you've got there is a fractal! Most times I can, but there have been times when I question the artist. Here's how you can make both of our lives easier!
Place what program(s) you used in the artist's description! Simple as that. This helps alot,trust me! If I've never heard of that program, I can always look it up! And if I just see "created entirely in Photoshop!" Well, you know what I'll be doing to it :lmao:

Also, if you know your piece is not a fractal, and you place "not a fractal" in the description, but you place it into the Fractal Art gallery, it WILL be moved to a more appropriate gallery. I understand that there aren't some galleries for other math based mediums, however, if it isn't a fractal and you know it isn't a fractal, please don't post it in the fractal art gallery. There are more appropriate galleries to post it in! It would be like posting an animated GIF of a Sonic the hedgehog recolor in the fractal art gallery because it allows animated GIFs because some people like to animate their fractals. ( By the way, said Sonic GIF will be placed into Misc Digital>Animation :D)

Alrighty, now, for those of you who absolutely ABHOR the miscats in the FA gallery, please report them using the proper tools. What you do is press the "report deviation" button and select "Misplaced Deviation" and then select the category you think it should be in. If you need help, feel free to ask me any questions. If the miscat is incredibly offensive and is a policy violation, report, and come to me so that I may scrap it. The important thing here is that YOU REPORT THE IMAGE FIRST then come to me. This way we can take the proper steps to make this system work more effectively.

I really hope this clears up any confusion there may have been about what belongs in the Fractal Art gallery and what doesn't!
If there are any questions or concerns, feel free to come to me with them. :D
I promise I won't bite :lmao:

Platinus
Fractal Art Gallery Moderator
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SoapSeller357 Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2011
Platinus

I would have you read the description of the Raw Fractals category.
"Gallery Info: Raw Fractals
Fractal artwork that is created in fractal software generating programs or other digital means that contains minimal post-work or non-fractal elements other than title, watermark and frame."

There are some actions and plug-ins for photoshop that make the program quite capable of producing mathematically accurate fractals.

Based on this evidence and the above quote, I conclude that just because an image was created in photoshop, does not mean that it isn't a fractal.

I was directed to this page today by FractaliaNo1, who told me that my artwork was a "non fractal" and that i should change the category.

Sincerely,
        A Pissed Off DA Member
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Platinus Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Dear SoapSeller357,

I would have you read the details of this news article:

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Submitted:February 2, 2009

And I would also have you read my current symbol

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This article, while still a lovely guideline for submissions to the fractal art gallery, is not the ONLY piece on submissions to the fractal art gallery. Also, as I haven't been the fractal art GM for a year now, my little article here doesn't hold all that much weight any more.

Furthermore, that you were sent here by another deviant mean nothing to me aside from thinking that your ire is misplaced.

Please have a lovely day.
Sincerely,
When are people going to realize I haven;t been a volunteer for a while and things have changed? :lmao:
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SoapSeller357 Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2011
Well I would say that my ire was directed toward FractaliaNo1, not you.
Because I was directed here, (and after I read this article) I assumed you were still the fractal art GM. I thought you were the one to talk about this situation.

is there no way to update this article, so that confusions like this are avoided in the future?

no offence was meant to you, (although i am still quite angry about this)

It seams that FractaliaNo1's entire profile is dedicated to telling DA users that their fractal artwork is miscategorized

aside from all of this, im glad that we can keep this little conversation professional.
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Platinus Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There isn't anyway for me to edit it.
I would have to contact someone on the staff or volunteer rolls to add to it or delete it completely.
I'm rather too lazy to do that, to be honest :rofl:
And they are generally busier with other things.

It is however a two year old article. By now, it's so lost in the annals of deviant art's news archive that it really astounds me that people keep finding it. But I suppose I have FractaliaNo1 to thank for that XD
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SoapSeller357 Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2011
It is a shame that FractaliaNo1 is causing so much grief by spreading around an outdated article. She definitely made me quite angry. Ive noticed that a lot of other upset Deviants were also sent here by FractaliaNo1.

I guess the lesson I learned is to only follow (or complain about) rules that are made by moderators, and not zealous enforcers like FractaliaNo1, who don't have an official affiliation with DA.

I will continue to make fractal artwork, and continue to post them in the fractal category, no matter how my images are created. I guess i will just have to do my best to ignore people like that and not let them get to me.
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xhbimadhatter13 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2011
A FRACTAL DOES NOT HAVE TO BE MADE IN A FRACTAL GENERATING PROGRAM. THATS WROOOOOONG. A FRACTAL IS NOT ALWAYS WHAT ITS SUPPOSED TO BE THATS PART OF THE WONDER OF FRACTAL IMAGES IS THAT THEY CAN BE ANYTHING.
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Xyrus-02 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Ouch dude. Find your caps lock key so you can turn it off first. Then we can talk...
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xhbimadhatter13 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2011
ya im sorry i was in a rather pissy mood having too much fun messing with FractaliaNo1. she angered me. then i ranted on all other fractal radicalists. sorry. im not usually like this.. :(
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Platinus Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
HEY GUESS WHAT, I CAN TALK IN CAPSLOCK TOO.

And actually, this is an OUTDATED news article.
Back when I was the fractal art Gallery Moderator, fractal art was indeed defined as a piece created in a fractal generating program.

Also, no, they can't be anything. Fractal art is created with MATH, which means that there has to be some sort of MATH involved in order for it to be a fractal. Saying that they were created in a fractal art program insured that the math was there.

I was the fractal art Gallery Moderator, I know a lot about fractals.

Also, I see that you've been on for a total of two weeks. I have been on DA for almost 6 years now and doing fractal art for just as long.

Sooo, why don't you take your caplock and head on over to someplace that appreciates it.
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xhbimadhatter13 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2011
ya i noticed that AFTER i posted my comments.sorreh boutr that. mrs. fractaliano1 kinda pissed me off so i went ranting throughout the fractal DA world.
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